a newspaper that there were thousands of violations. >> so, i believe that congressman rogers office said they did see the memo are regular reports but if the nsa is doing trillions of searchless looking for a need until a haystack, is a couple of thousand violations that were pretty much computer generated not intended incidents by the intelligence community, do you think that in some way they could say, look, this is a computer generated problem, this is not our intent is to violate the law and get to the bottom of it when we see it? >> i think in a vacuum, you can make that argument but on the heels of benghazi and fast and furious and james rosen's scandal and this demonstrate in addition of trust that people have across all demographic groups, in government, no. it's not enough to say, well, there's human error involved. yes, in a vacuum, in a relationship grounded in trust, can you forgive episodic shortcomings? yes.